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[kyuubi654]

must i remind you of some of our projects ? we're exactly in the same situation as any other group

[JustPassingBy]

yes, but we manage to keep a healthy 47 releases per project and that's including the random "one-shots" like bleach, claymore and so.

[kyuubi654]

um...you might say that from a mathematical point of view nobody cares about that. whereas seen from a project view point we got projects that suck and ONE project that kinda got almost completed and is almost there..with a bucket of luck...

[Ultimateking]

we used to be pretty well known for hsdk, i think that also counts (over 100 chapters released is good enough)...not to mention hsd which we completed

[MacenKrace]

um...you might say that from a mathematical point of view nobody cares about that. whereas seen from a project view point we got projects that suck and ONE project that kinda got almost completed and is almost there..with a bucket of luck...

You got that right ^_^ I mean the bucket o'luck

In any case we should try to get going with some ShinG releases sometimes... in the nearby future...

[JustPassingBy]

The mathematical point of view is the only one that counts, because everything else depends on personal opinion and is biased.
The reason why I created this thread in the first place was to ask which information to use to determine a good group.

There are multiple possibilities which make sense:
1. number of releases
2. number of projects
3. number of releases per time, i.e. release frequency
4. number of releases per project
And since it seems that dedication is what mainly counts, 4. would be the right one to go.

Now everything that's left to do is to pick how high it should at least be for a group to be counted good.
This is arguable, but I think ten releases per project is definitely too low, because in that case they
- have too less releases yet
- drop projects too soon on average
- pick up too many projects

And I think Ichigo is currently scanning some Shin Gumiho stuff.

[MacenKrace]

I think continuity would be classified as good.

[kyuubi654]

see...this is what i don't get...what the hell do we need a determining factor for ? this group is this group, the other groups can hold their own. no such thing is necessary. and i'll repeat myself i do think this is somewhat offensive to those groups that don't find themselves in a "good position" going by your set standards and nobody is in such a position to bring critique to others..

personally i don't care how many chaps they average in a week, a month or a year... it's the reader's standards that have gone to insane heights and to which no existing scanlation group is forced to rise. i'm also the type of junky reader, that would like to have like 3-4 volumes at once to read and i may joke about nagging some groups about that, but i never pass that line nor do i change my opinion of those groups. people should learn to get a life before starting to blabber their mouths off here and there and all over the place.

[JustPassingBy]

I'm a mathematician. I classify everything, whether projective hypersurfices according to their genus,
or scanlation groups according to something I try to create here.


And, to be honest, if some group doesn't show a, what I would say, low releases per project ratio,
they have no true reason to feel offended when I don't call them good:
Not having enough people to make constant releases is one thing.
But even then picking up tons of projects is pure madness in my opinion.

[kyuubi654]

i don't think a group that doesn't have staff picks up projects. i believe that a group picked up the projects when it had staff and then ran out of people who work on them. so still offensive could've been the same with GSM tbh... this one just got lucky, otherwise it could have been another one of your bad statistics.

[JustPassingBy]

Well, they shouldn't have picked up projects based on new (and unsecure) staff in the first place.
We made that mistake as well with Shin Gumiho, remember? But we'll still see things through somehow.
And we got unlucky with both Aiki and HSDK. It's not like we're the most ridiculous lucky dogs.
As far as I know, the same thing happened to Blazer Drive in this group, but that was before my time.

Anyway, this shouldn't be a discussion about our group, but about scanlator groups in general, about what makes a good scanlator group.
You know, like a good toric variety should be simplicial, complete and with at most Macauley singularities.
(With good, I mean a something people will like more than average.)

[Arturro]

For me most important is continuity. It's sort of JPB point 4 - number of releases per project, mixed with releases frequency. There are a few mangas, which are not exactly dropped, but last release was about year ago. Or even worse - project dropped in the middle. It's frustrating for me as a reader.

[JustPassingBy]

Screw what I said last all toric varieties have at most Macauley singularities.
But a good one should have... hm... forgot the terms, something quotient thing...

[joteofhell]

9by has a point as well... all groups even if the managed to scanlate a few chapter are part of a collective effort from fans to fans, thus ALL are cool and worth on its own. I wouldn't talk of 'good groups' as an opposite to 'bad groups'

On the other hand, to qualify as a great, I would say that a great group must be consistent. I think it's better to continue a project instead of jumping from project to project. NTL there are some project that can be picked up by other groups, so I think it's no that bad. though if there is only one group interested in scanlate a project, then they MUST finish it.

I think a group must be evaluate in terms of both POV, the particulars and their contribution in a global POV.

(if someone scanlate 5 chapters of AIKI is far better than someone who scanlate 300 of naruto.. there are a plenty of pple doing that, so that I guess it's just a waste)

Joe

[kyuubi654]

bah...you say tOmatO i say tomAto...i frigging hate this kind of subjects but still i'll stick to my opinion that that's offensive and we shouldn't be discussing such things at all and that's that